Chicken little (as in that's how much I know right now)

I hope everyone had a great Christmas! Thanks to some wonderful readers who took the time to comment, I would strongly recommend checking out the comments under my December 15th post, where there are some great links and an easy fudge recipe...

Now, about those chickens....on Christmas Eve day, we took the children out and about and ran into someone we know who knows a lot about raising chickens. In fact, the law recently changed in our area so that now residents are allowed to raise up to six chickens (no roosters) in their backyards, so now it is an actual possibility for us to raise chickens! But before we do so, there is quite a lot of research to do, seeing as how I have no desire to get the chickens and have them die early deaths unnecessarily due to may lack of knowledge. Some of the things we learned (as I asked many, many (potentially annoying) questions:

--It has always been legal to have chickens here, apparently, as there were rules on the books that indicated how owners were to take care of their chickens. Why have rules on how to take care of chickens, etc., if there were no chickens allowed? As a side note, this reminded me of a law I once heard of that may or may not still exist in Massachusetts that stated that it was legal to let your cows graze on Boston Common. The clincher was that it was illegal to take your cows to Boston Common....

Anyway, the person we were talking to said that many questions were asked about the legality of keeping hens in the backyard, and said person got many answers indicating that yes, that the law indicated that it was acceptable to raise chickens. Then someone thought that it was not, and hence the following activities that led to the authorities limiting ownership to a flock of six. Readers of my blog(s) may remember that I myself called and asked whether we were allowed to have chickens in our backyard, and was told that no, no we were not. I have to admit to feeling a bit cheated when I found out that being permitted to have six chickens was actually a downgrade, when before, legally, we were actually just allowed to own chickens in general, according to the statutes already in place. Not that I would necessarily even want six, but sometimes it's just the principle of the thing....

---I want to raise chickens for the eggs, but according to this source, you really should rotate the chickens out every couple of years, which means that after you bring in some new chicks and all is going well with them, the older chickens should ideally end up as part of a well-balanced meal. This brings up a whole 'nother area of inexpertise (is that a word?) for me, which is the butchering of well, just about anything. OK, yeah, absolutely anything. But I do know enough that you have to know what you are doing if you want to get meat that's safe to eat when you are doing your own butchering. The person we were talking to mentioned that there is someone not far from here who will do the whole business for you for $3.00. I still think that knowing how to harvest our own meat would be a very useful skill to have, if I could stand it. I figure when it comes down to it, you do what you gotta do....but it definitely is necessary that you know how.

--If we were to get chickens, we would start in the spring. My main concern would be keeping the chickens alive in the Idaho winter, so I asked about coops, and the necessity of running electricity (or not) out to a coop in the winter. Turns out this person does use electricity. That would be something to figure out. I asked over at My Adventures in Self-Reliance (check the comments out under this post) and got some useful information about chickens and rabbits in the winter. If I understand correctly, the amount of heat that there is affects egg production, which is something to consider.

Well, if you're still reading, I still have a lot more to learn. Turns out that the person we were talking to actually makes and sells coops, and has a website here. I mention this because knowing how/where to get my hands on a coop would be one of my first concerns. Looking at the website is as far as I've gotten when it comes to that subject, but it is a place to start. Raising chickens would not exactly be cheap, and it was mentioned in our December 24 conversation that with a flock of just six chickens (and honestly, I would likely start smaller), the chickens wouldn't really pay for themselves. But then I thought, what price self-reliance? Oh, and when the question of cleaning up chicken waste came up, turns out it's one of the best things possible to add to a compost pile and/or garden....

So, a lot to think about. I also learned in the course of this conversation (I mentioned that I could be annoying, didn't I? :) ) that when you first get the chicks you keep them inside so that they will be warm enough. So spring would be the earliest we would get them anyway, and then they would be inside, and then if it continued snowing into June... (don't laugh, this is Idaho)....well, just a lot to think about.

As always, if you have more info, please share. Any errors about raising chickens in the above post are most likely due to my misunderstanding something that was said, or not remembering correctly, so please don't blame my source. I'm just trying to find out more and possibly add some "live storage" to my food storage efforts. Never a dull moment.... :)

Fresh eggs? Off the menu for you...

Well, with a little encouragement through example and comments by way of Jacobus Family Blogsite , where there are chickens, I finally called up the city clerk to ask about regulations on having chickens where I live. Why the city clerk? Quite frankly, I didn't know who else to call....

The conversation went roughly like this: ( not verbatim, but the city clerk was very nice... )

Me: Hi, I don't know who to ask about this, but I was wondering what the rules are about having chickens here.

City Clerk: They aren't allowed. Do you need a statute for that?

Me: No. How about outside the city limits?

City Clerk: Outside the city limits is fine.

Me: Ok, thank you.

City Clerk: Polite phone ending.

The end.

I found it interesting that the city clerk offered a statute on that--wonder if other people have asked the question and gotten all upset about it and told the clerk to prove that they weren't legally allowed to harbor the 150 chicks that they had pre-ordered and were due in an overnight express... or if there have been times that people felt that it was "their yard, their rules" and proceeded to have a lengthy and heated discussion about the fact that they should be able to do as they pleased in on their own private property... or if some people, upon learning that their plans to live as a world-famous poultry producer were foiled forever, proceeded to run around like a chicken with their head cut off.... (sorry, just amusing myself with that one... )

Well, you can laugh or you can cry, as they say, hence the preceding paragraph. It is seriously disappointing to me that chickens aren't allowed, although I understand that I would have a lot to learn before bringing in the chicks, even if that were an option at this time. I wanted the chickens mostly for their eggs, because (and this is probably just me) I pretty much would have a hard time trying to figure out how to butcher and harvest the meat of something that I raised. You do what you have to do, though. The whole meat-harvesting issue is one of the things that makes it obvious that I have to have at least one other protein source in mind when it comes to food storage... (yay rice and beans!)

Word of warning to the city clerk--you might get a call about the statutes on rabbits one of these days...